88 THE TEMPORAL POWER OF THE POPE. liable to the charge, and especially the Church, the Roman Catholic Church itself. But the Roman Catholic Church is represented by her bishops, and therefore I turn to the state- ments of those having the means of knowing, and the right to make known, the doctrines of that Church, and ask the attention of the com- mittee to the following remarks of the Right Rev. Dr. England: — “ God never gave to St. Peter any temporal power, any authority to depose kings, any authority to interfere with political concerns. And any right which his successors might claim, for any of those purposes, must be derived from some other source. A Roman Catholic has no further con- nexion with the pope than that he succeeds St. Peter. Peter had none of these rights—as a Roman Catholic I know nothing of them in the pope. He is equally a pope with or without them.” In the early part of my remarks, I took occa- sion to say what would be my course, if, by any remarkable (but really impossible) concurrence of circumstances, the army and navy of the pope should invade the country. Hear now how the bishop of Charleston sustains my declaration :— “ The American Constitution leaves its citizens in perfect freedom to have whom they please to regulate their spiritual concerns. But if the pope were to declare war against America, and any Roman Catholic, under the pretext of spiritual obedience, was to refuse to oppose this temporal aggressor, he would deserve to be punished for his refusal, because he owes to this country to maintain its rights; and ME. CHANDLER'S SPEECH. : 39 spiritual power does not, and cannot, destroy. the claim which the government hasupon him. Suppose a clergyman of England were convicted for some crime—for instance, Dr. Dodd—and he was ordered for execution : must the law be inoperative because the criminal is a clergyman ? Think you that no one could be found in a Roman Catholic coun- try to sentence, or to execute a sentence, upon a clergyman who was a criminal ? All history testifies to the contrary. So, too, does all history show that, upon the same principle, Catholic kings, and princes, and peers, and people, have disobeyed improper mandates of the see of Rome, and have levied and carried on war against popes, and still con- tinued members of the Church.”" Mr. Chairman, I have thus shown that the Church, in the middle ages, did not claim for the popes the authority to exercise temporal power over other sovereigns, by divine right, even when the exercise of that authority seemed to be so great a blessing to the people that it would scarcely seem wonderful if the people should have hailed it as of divine origin. And I have shown that the best writers of the Catho- lic Church, of later days, and of the present cen- tury, have, in like manner, denied that it was part of a Catholic’s belief that the pope possesses any power to depose kings, or release subjects, or to violate faith with those who are or are not of the Catholic Church. I now offer other proof that the Church sets up no claim to such power. And, before I do it, I may be permitted to say that, in the pursuit of information with